this is -- you can bet that president obama's going to be heard on this before too long. and we've lost somebody that deserves emulation everywhere. >> i don't know, i just want to bring people a little bit of background information here about mandela's condition over the last couple of months. he had been three months in the hospital with the recurrent lun september, originally. but those lung problems attributed to the tuberculosis he contracted during 27 years in prison before he led his country to democracy, subject of many biopics lately. what is your view on his history in south africa and overseas? >> i think he has more stature than anyone around the world with the possible exception of the pope. a lot of continue versy around the current president as well as becky who proceeded him in that job who was nelson mandela's successor. i think this is somebody whose reputation was titanic and the entire world will be mourning. >> we are following the news here for us. walk us through the sequence of events since word came out? >> word was starting to trickle out that ne